| Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 21,759 Likes: 2265 Member/20,000 posts | Member/20,000 posts Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 21,759 Likes: 2265 | Wow, Michael. Your wife is pushing for you to put it in a flight school?
I bought my 152, which, at the time, was a stretch on our budget. I bought it with the sole intent of putting it into a flight school. Since I was a mechanic, I felt that I could keep up with the maintenance by myself, and could not only save money in the process, but might also make a small profit. Sounds like the way you're thinking right now.
The terms of a leaseback agreement are as varied as there are leasback operators. The NUMBER ONE key thing is to go into business with an operator that YOU ABSOLUTELY TRUST!!!!!!!!!!!! If you are suspicious of ANYTHING they do, don't enter into the agreement.
Insurance is very high for rental planes. Typically, the FBO takes 20 percent off the top of your revenues for their commission. Then, they deduct what they pay to have your plane insured, between 4 and 7 hundred dollars each month. Then, if they're having to lease tiedown space for your plane, you'll likely have to pay that, as well. Then, they subtract what fuel has been charged to your plane, sometimes adding a nickel per gallon fee.
So....as you can see, if your plane doesn't fly around 25-30 hours per month, you could end up owing the flight school money.
If you ever do go the leaseback route (it's not a bad investment with the proper precautions) make sure every detail is written down. When the crap hits the fan, people get amnesia real fast. If you'll be paying for the maintenance, remember oil changes will come almost bi-weekly, you'll have to keep up with your spark plugs (buy a second set), otherwise you'll end up missing flights due to rough mag checks. 152's are prone to fouling plugs, particularly with student renters unless you use the right plugs. Even then, you'll want to clean the plugs (swap out with your spare set) every 25 hours.
100 hour inspections come around and are a little more expensive on a 152 because the valve clearance has to be checked/adjusted every time. No one will take care of your plane the way you would. It's hard to dote on your "baby" on Tuesday, then by Friday, there's empty coke cans, coffee cups, oily paper towells, and oil bottles strewn all over your plane. Your windscreen will be scratched by people throwing headsets and clipboards on the glareshield. Your interior will be soiled by people walking across the ramp and dragging everything on their shoes into your plane.
But....let's say you're okay with all of that.
Prepare to be named in a lawsuit when someone crashes your plane and they die. If you can't handle that, don't do it.
Be prepared to cover the FBO's fixed expenses (insurance, tiedowns or hangar storage) in the event someone wheel barrow's down the runway, buckling your firewall, ripping out the nose gear, and trashes the propeller and engine. Sure, that's an insurance claim, but the other costs don't stop.
So, you're still going at it? Still want to leaseback your plane that you don't really have to? It's your call. It can be profitable if done carefully. Just remember, the first to be rented are the cleanest, best equipped planes. It will dramatically help if you stay after keeping your plane clean, wiped down inside and out. Good luck with your decision.
I'll find a picture of my 152 in the ravine with the tail folded up against the left wing for ya. It's a real tear-jerker... In other words: Here endith the lesson. These arrangements are not for the faint of heart. Jim
Cessna 150/150, N2259M - Mighty Mouse
| | | | Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 2,395 Likes: 60 Member/1500+posts | Member/1500+posts Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 2,395 Likes: 60 | I started airplane ownership co-owning with a retired prof, salt of the earth, and WWII vet. Great guy. It was a "nose of the camel" deal: My wife would not have assented to my buying an airplane else. But then when my partner lost medical, and gave up trying to get it back, buying him out was the most natural thing in the world.
OK, I'm a prof. Quiz. Pick one: A: partnering with even the ideal person and outstanding pilot.
B: 100% sole ownership.
My answer is B. I am way happier as sole owner. Any issue about the plane? __I__ decide. My plane dammit!
"The most beautiful thing on earth is the sky above it." -- Joanna Fink
| | | | Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 673 Member/500+posts | Member/500+posts Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 673 | Mike, I think you've answered your question there. HAHA...convincing me not to let other people play with my toy was the easy part. Now, would one of you mind coming to Pensacola to help me convince my wife?  | | | | Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 12,760 Member/10,000+ posts! | Member/10,000+ posts! Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 12,760 | Nah, just ask her to begin renting out her car 4 days a week. I wonder how that would go over? 
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Gary Shreve When writing the story of your life, never, ever let someone else hold the pen. [ Linked Image] | | | | Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 691 Member/500+posts | Member/500+posts Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 691 | I'll add my two cents here.
think about the way that people treat rental cars. Now add that into the equation for people that are learning how to fly; ie, hard landings come to mind real quick.
If you're still interested, then ask to see some of the rental invoices for the past year for the other 150/152's. Then you'll get a good picture as to whether or not you'll make or lose money on the deal.
If you're not attached to your plane, it can be a good source of revenue. However, if you're attached to it, then DON'T do it.
Robert
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| | | | Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 673 Member/500+posts | Member/500+posts Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 673 | That might not work in my favor. | | | | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 5,951 Likes: 1 Member/5000+posts! | Member/5000+posts! Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 5,951 Likes: 1 | Welcome to the best type club there is! We are always happy to welcome a new 150/152 driver. You made a good choice in airplanes too  Great looking 152. You are right about there being a lot to know about these little airplanes. You could hardly have found a place where you could get more information; just ask and you will receive. | | | | Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 673 Member/500+posts | Member/500+posts Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 673 | Ok, you guys had me doubting so on my first flight of the year I checked the performance to see exactly what I got. It's not quite as good as I originally posted but I'm still very happy. temp: 57F, (13.9C) Alt: 1100' MSL RPM 2,500ish (full) 112 KIAS RPM 2,300 102 KIAS Climb was a little better than 750 fpm I made sure I was dead level and speed was constant for 10 seconds before writing down my speed. I was pretty light with only about 13 gal of fuel and I weigh about 175. So here's the thing. I was happy with my numbers and greased it in for a couple of spot perfect landings so I was feeling pretty good as I taxied back to the maintenance hangar (having some avionics installed tomorrow). I pulled right up to my spot, killed the radios and then pulled the key before I killed the mixture making the plane hickup to a stop. DUH! The FBO owner, my avionics guy, and a couple of CFIs were outside to witness. 94 flights and never done that before. They were all nice enough not to say anything or make eye contact as I disembarked. | | | | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 25,416 Likes: 997 Member/25,000 posts | Member/25,000 posts Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 25,416 Likes: 997 | I pulled right up to my spot, killed the radios and then pulled the key before I killed the mixture making the plane hickup to a stop. DUH! Nothing wrong with that. Just tell 'em you were making sure that there was no broken P-lead. | | |
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