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The airport kid watches the student pilot take off in a raggy old Cub and thinks ?That guy sure is lucky to be able to fly that airplane?.

The student pilot watches a 172 take off and thinks ?That guy sure is lucky to be able to fly that airplane?.

The 172 pilot watches a 210 on down wind and thinks ?That guy sure is lucky to be able to fly that airplane?.

The 210 pilot if following a 414 on down wind and thinks ?That guy sure is lucky to be able to fly that airplane?.

The 414 pilot watches a Citation flare for landing and thinks ?That guy sure is lucky to be able to fly that airplane?.

The Citation pilot sees a commuter airliner taxing to the ramp and thinks ?That guy sure is lucky to be able to fly that airplane?.

The commuter pilot sees a 747 taxing out for departure and thinks ?That guy sure is lucky to be able to fly that airplane?.

The 747 takes off and on climb out the pilot notices a little yellow cub below him and thinks ?That guy sure is lucky to be able to fly that airplane?.

I'll always remember my first crewmate, Steve Webber (former Army helicopter pilot), saying to me as we taxied out in a F-111 and passed a helicopter spinning up its rotor: "Sure wish I was over there wishing I was over here."

What it's worth and what he'll sell it for may be seperated by a wide margin. Sometimes you just have to talk to a seller and say "I'm a serious buyer...give me your best price and I'll either buy it or I won't...think about it for a couple of days and call me". He's the only one who knows what that bottom line is. Of course the sale has to be contingent upon the aircraft checking out properly, as represented by the seller. If the price is unrealistic then he's really not ready to sell or he's confusing what it's worth with what he has invested.

Dan! Great advice!

That's exactly how I bought 84G, and wound up becoming friends with her previous owner. He was "asking" $18,500 in TAP, knowing most buyers like to haggle. He included enough details that I realized this was too high for "old paint", but I was still interested in the solid airplane, so I called him and told him I don't haggle. I asked him point blank what the bottom line was, and told him I'd either still be interested and we'd talk more, or I'd forget it and quit wasting his and my time. He agreed with my approach, and $14,500 later, I owned the bird!

I have found that I like the seller to come to me. Both sellers of 72G and 9ED contacted me with what they had to offer with their price. Obviously, I accepted!

I have a bit different slant on the buying/selling relationship.

The owner knows what he will take for the airplane and the buyer knows what he will pay. If the owner makes an offer to sell at a stated price I think that it is up to the buyer to make a legitimate offer to buy It is then up to the seller to decide whether or not he is willing to accept the offer.

I have had a number of people call and ask a few questions then ask if I am flexible or the price or what my best price is. They haven?t even looked at the airplane and already they want to dicker. My standard answer is ?What are you willing to pay?? I have yet to get an answer. I don?t figure that they have the right to essentially say ?I know that you are lying about the price, now tell me the truth?, I immediately write them off as tire kickers and forget about them.

Wayne, with most other commodities I agree with you. BUT...an airplane might be 3000 miles away and one of the differences is: The Buyer has SEEN the aircraft, and the SELLER has not. As a buyer I'd want to know the price is one I'm comfortable with (assuming the aircraft has been accurately represented) before I made the 3000 mile trip for the final inspection and transaction. As a SELLER it irks me when someone trys to tell me what my item is worth without ever having seen it.


That's MY reasoning. This is one of those many areas where there are multiple "right" ways to do something...and, of course, situations do vary. Both methods may work equally well(?) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

I agree somewhat. Last year I purchased mine from Texas,, I lived in northern BC. A fair ways away. With discussions and lots of digital pics we worked out the deal, contengient upon my final viewing. I had the owner take the plane to an FBO that I'd set things with,, they did an export inspection for me as the prepurchase inspection. They picked up a only 1 item, but that item in affect grounded his airplane. Turned out there was an issue with the prop,, no indication in log books how the prop got on,, it was the wrong serial number. He ended up having to get his prop overhauled and reinstalled so that the logs were accurate. The previous owner was an excellent guy to work with and if both seller and purchaser are serious,, it can all be worked out before investing money into the deal. Heck, when I got down to Texas, he even had an instructor show up to take my daughter fly,, She had her students license and part of the deal was she had to agree as well. plus he'd even just got the Garmin card updated to noth america's. Both my daughter and myself did some flying around Austin for a while and then we landed back,, he even insisted on topping off the tanks at his expense. I'm sure he thought he got a good price,, and I thought I'd paid a fair price. We were both HAPPY

Now THAT'S the way things would go in a perfect world!

Good for you, Lionel!!!