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DonB #609444 09/21/20 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by DonB
Thanks Kirk and correct you are. All one has to do is read 14 CFR 21.9 (a). Any one advertizing aircraft parts for sale either knows, are "should" know it is reasonably likely to be installed on a type- certificated product and that person should not produce that article unless it is-

Here is a list of parts that BEE-GEE adverstises and sells:
Silicone Baffle Seals
Complete Anti-Chafe Sets for Baron & BonanzaEngine & Brake Line Hoses
Fuel Injection Hard Line Grommets & Clips
Brake Fluid Reservoir Cans
Silicone Wing, Tail & Gear Door Seals
Silicone Window & Baggage Door Seals
Baron Nose Baggage Door Seal
Silicone Two-Piece Door Seal P-Baron Seal
A36 & B58 OEM-Style Silicone Rear Door Seal
Reinforced Silicone Rocker Box Gaskets
Bonanza Heat Duct Hose Replacements
Bonanza Heater Valve Flapper Seals
Bonanza Cooling Duct Hose Replacements
Early Bonanza Battery Box Seal
Bonanza Firewall Access Door Seal
Bonanza Battery Box Duct Hose
Bonanza Silicone Intake Duct TN 6" Duct
Engine Intake Runner Coupling
Baron Intake & Airbox Seals
Baron Cowl Door Seals
Baron/Bonanza SS Hard Brake Lines
Beech Big "B" Entry Step Decal
Beech A36/F33/B58 Air Conditioning Hoses
Bonanza Nose Bug Light Seal
Beech Silicone Defroster Duct
Crankcase Breather/Vent Hard Lines
Bonanza Engine Cowl Wire Carrying Clips

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Gee-Bee is a frequent poster on MooneySpace so I've seen the blow by blow go down. The FAA and Gee-Bee met and the matter has been settled with some wording changes.

Having seen some of his work, it's great quality, affordable, and available. The fleet is safer for his products, but I agree with the path the FAA took because that isn't always the case and it backs Kirk's point that it's serious business.

Another one I can see biting people are owner produced parts. The burden is higher than advertised when you get past simple aluminum sheets. You need design specifications to build it to what was originally approved. Here [csobeech.com] is a pretty good PowerPoint on the topic.


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Does that mean that this part would be illegal? I was just about to buy it.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cessna-150-152-Instrument-Panel-Design-Laser-Cut-Aluminum/174104291114?hash=item28896ca72a:g:ZgoAAOSwKp1d2HCv


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Originally Posted by Steven Washer
Does that mean that this part would be illegal? I was just about to buy it.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cessna-150-152-Instrument-Panel-Design-Laser-Cut-Aluminum/174104291114?hash=item28896ca72a:g:ZgoAAOSwKp1d2HCv
The following is PP advise, not AP/IA, which is whom I would be asking since it will be their signature in the books.

Check out the PDF I linked above. This is acceptable under owner produced because you would be satisfying the criteria by: "The owner provides the manufacture with design or performance data." The design are how you are having it cut so you have participated. In order to conform to the design as approved it needs to be of the same material as well. This could be specifying the type and thickness of aluminum.


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Originally Posted by Matt Wash
Originally Posted by Steven Washer
Does that mean that this part would be illegal? I was just about to buy it.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cessna-150-152-Instrument-Panel-Design-Laser-Cut-Aluminum/174104291114?hash=item28896ca72a:g:ZgoAAOSwKp1d2HCv
The following is PP advise, not AP/IA, which is whom I would be asking since it will be their signature in the books.

Check out the PDF I linked above. This is acceptable under owner produced because you would be satisfying the criteria by: "The owner provides the manufacture with design or performance data." The design are how you are having it cut so you have participated. In order to conform to the design as approved it needs to be of the same material as well. This could be specifying the type and thickness of aluminum.

I'll second the above ... this price is actually not to bad - I will probably be consulting with my mechanic to use the parts here in Canada too - saving this link for sure! Let us all know how the project progresses!


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Good to know. Obviously I will be checking with my AP/IA to make sure, but I had not even considered the legality before coming upon this thread. There's a lot of difference of opinion about what is and is not legal. And it's so curious that to a seller, anything is legal and how they look at you with astonishment when you tell them it may not be.


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A guy on Facebook C-150/C-152 Lounge said he took one of these -- Rami AV-525 VOR antenna ($270)-- and fabricated a mount and mounted it on a C-150.
https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/ramiav525.php
This is actually designed for a Piper, and the shape and mount are completely different than the Cessna design with the plastic block, antenna elements, and connecting coax/hardware.
He says it's TSO, and legal, and he got it blessed by the FAA.
He says it works great. I have no doubt that a new antenna, with new balun, and new coax with new connectors, would work better than a clunky 55 year-old corroded Cessna VOR antenna.
Just FYI. I am sticking with the original design and parts.

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Originally Posted by Mark van Wyk
I am sticking with the original design and parts.

Good thinking - the round ‘hockey-puck’ style doesn’t fit. On my Cardinal someone before had to trim aluminum from the top of the vertical stab and force the plastic stab tip over the round mount to get it to “fit”. On a 150/152 with a thinner vertical stabilizer, the problems would be worse.

I hate it when people go out of their way to do something the wrong way.


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Originally Posted by Kirk
I hate it when people go out of their way to do something the wrong way.


I have an advanced degree in this area and can teach anybody to fix things the wrong way.

One of my former students (the well loved and highly prestigious Swordfish) did everything I taught him and he did it very well.

So well in fact that he became a master at it and was removed from the forum.

I'm so proud........


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Originally Posted by Mark van Wyk
A guy on Facebook C-150/C-152 Lounge said he took one of these -- Rami AV-525 VOR antenna ($270)-- and fabricated a mount and mounted it on a C-150.


In my view, there is only one place for this design to be installed (see picture)

This location also serves an additional roll:

Kinda like curb feelers on a car, this location acts like a runway feeler. When you hear the antenna ends scraping the runway, you know the tail is just about the right height. grin
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