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Stacey Morris #460629 01/11/15 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Stacey_Morris
My brother had a 1946D for awhile. If you change the engine, I think you lose the LSA capability.



If you use the STC to install the O-200, yes , the MGW is increased.

If you use the STC to modify the C-85 to 100HP, (installing O-200 crankshaft, rods and pistons), it does not affect the airframe.

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I didn't know that. Good info!

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A friend has two of them. Some are sport pilot and some are not, there are at least two different gross weights and once they are registered at the higher one you can't go back, though I have not been told why.

The fabric wing makes it lighter and I could find out how much if it is important. The engine choices vary but most have the C-85 which is almost as much power as an 0-200 since most of those are actually a bit less hp than we like to think. I have never seen one without electricity, I may have seen one accidentally towing an extension cord. Same guy, might have been a different plane. Rule of thumb here is put the cord away WITH the battery charger. I still tease him about that.

The spar AD is a concern but not a deal killer. Because it was re-skinned, that would most certainly have been looked into.

The no rudder pedal thing is a hold back for the uninitiated but it's really not a big deal. Remember the coupe has the best gear under it of any thing GA under 3000 lbs. It sort of self centers and landing cockeyed just doesn't matter much. Its of course smoother on grass than pavement. Turns are well coordinated in flight by the design. You can't slip it but you don't need to. It really is about as simple as driving a car. If you sent a novice up with no experience in anything else they would perish, but in a coupe they would have a much better chance of being okay. This is a comfort factor for the nervous passenger that wants to know what to do if you die right after takeoff. Yes, I really have had that question.

The canopy is great with the slide down windows, and in summer just leave your arm out like you would driving a convertible car. That is near ultralight for out in the open flying.

As to performance, the C-85 lightweight fabric covered plane I fly with sometimes may take a tiny bit more runway, but not a great deal. Climbs rates are about the same, his flys a wee bit faster than I can with my climb prop, and on command he can sink with the best of the Cherokees. All around a surprisingly fun machine.

I think the coupe is one of the most under valued and under appreciated of all the GA planes out there. I think they are way more fun than a cub, which is ridiculously over valued, though a nice plane. They are also pretty cheap to keep and insure. This last part has been both a blessing and a curse as there are some under funded buyers with dreams bigger than wallets who tend to buy something like this (or a 150) but not have enough time, money or desire left to properly care for it.

I'm not planning to trade my 150, probably ever, unless a 150hp Citabria whispers in my ear long enough to tempt me. But I really like the coupe and would be happy to own one myself.


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Originally Posted by Rick_Durden
Gene,

The original Ercoupe came with an interconnect between the ailerons and rudders-so roll and yaw was controlled with the yoke. No rudder pedals. It is considered a "two-control" airplane. (Very late versions had rudder pedals and area a "three-control" airplane.)

The main landing gear is trailing beam, so on touchdown in a crosswind the airplane straightens itself out (you land crabbed) so that it points in the direction it is traveling over the ground (you do get jostled to the right or left as it does so, it's kind of abrupt). You then steer the airplane (nosewheel steering connected to the yoke) as you would a car during rollout and taxi.

On takeoff you steer the airplane with the yoke, as you break ground you turn into the wind (interconnect makes it a coordinated turn) to establish the crab on climbout.

If the airplane is rigged correctly, you can land it in a level attitude at something over 100 MPH (never had the guts to try it). It will handle astonishing crosswinds, in excess of 30 knots. The only thing to remember is, on rollout, you have to steer away from the wind (yoke downwind) rather than into it (yoke upwind) as you do in a three-control airplane.

More on the Ercoupe: http://www.aopa.org/News-and-Video/All-News/1998/November/1/Ercoupe-Pilots-Smile-a-Lot

Quite a few physically challenged people have learned to fly Ercoupes. They're wonderful airplanes. They won't stall. However, they are not short field machines as are their two-place peers of the time, the Cub and Champ.

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Rick


Great write up Rick. Thanks so much. Amazing airplane.


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The engine is disassembled and all new parts are there, its not a 0-200 but a "mixture" of the engine…

Ill get a phone number for those interested…

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Anything and everything you ever wanted to know about the Ercoupe.

http://www.ercoupe.org/

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Great site, Bill. Thanks for posting it.

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Originally Posted by Rick_Durden
Bill,

Please add me to those who have the opinion that the Ercoupes without rudder pedals are preferred for dealing with crosswinds

Warmest regards,
Rick


Me too.

You've got to remember that there is very little movement in the Ercoupes rudders. Only one side moves at a time, they only go out, and not far. So you have very little rudder, peddles or no.

What keeps the nose pointed straight and everything coordinated with the 'coupe is the twin vertical stabs, just like the B-25 (twin stabs, not one way rudders). There is just enough rudder movement (on one side) to prevent a skid in a gradual turn.

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Univair supposedly owns both type certificates (recertified by Mooney as the M-10 Cadet, intended as a trainer).

I wonder if anybody ever put an O-235 in one?

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Originally Posted by Carl_Chitwood
Univair supposedly owns both type certificates (recertified by Mooney as the M-10 Cadet, intended as a trainer).

I wonder if anybody ever put an O-235 in one?


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