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Originally Posted by Jim Hillabrand
I think they call it having "potential" (followed by a row of "if's").


I think they call it "loving airplanes" (followed by a long row of large denominations of dollar bills")

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Originally Posted by Kyle_Sundberg
("followed by a long row of large denominations of dollar bills")



Buy right. Get involved and maintain your plane right. The only thing that may be considered expensive is possibly the fuel!

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Originally Posted by Jeepinbanditrider
Dunno this whole thing is getting a bit daunting lol.
Well, you came to the right place for help. smile

With a closer walkaround, nothing jumps out as questionable. The ugly spots are not a show stopper and may be more about the paint prep, actually. Would need to chip away at it to see for sure if there is corrosion there.
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The small bubble here on the aft lap seam are more likely to be corrosion related.
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Nice seats, too.
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A peek inside the oil door showed it to be clean, with a painted firewall and inside surface of the cowling.

If you are OK with the lack of logs before the 2004 date mentioned, looks good for further investigation.
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Originally Posted by Konrad_Kelley

With a closer walkaround, nothing jumps out as questionable. The ugly spots are not a show stopper and may be more about the paint prep, actually.


Actually, this would raise a red flag for me. You can still see the original paint, (or previous paint) under the current paint that has been exposed around the rivets and on the skin lap joints....to me this indicates that the plane's current paint was most likely a "scratch 'n shoot" and NOT a complete paint job.
This is CORROSION, and while minor now, you will have to have it addressed at some point before it gets worse.
The TOP layer is FAILING, and is exposing the old paint underneath.
That may be just one area that was repainted, or the whole plane.
You would have to examine the plane in person to tell for sure.
While NOT a "deal breaker"- it will help you determine what to pay for this plane, OR point you towards other ones for sale.

This is the proper way to paint a plane:
Strip to bare metal
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Totally treat bare metal, corrosion control, Alodine
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Epoxy prime
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Base coat (this is as far as you actually have to go...)
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The color coats
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Done:
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Brian...you just like showing off that beautiful plane


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Originally Posted by Charles_Weakley
Brian...you just like showing off that beautiful plane


I wish I did, by pulling it out of the hangar and FLYING it more.... blush
Actually, the paint shop gave me full access to the entire paint process, and I have a whole photo album of the start-to-finish job. Given the LABOR and the COST of a paint job, you are better off spending the money and hopefully having it last as long as the original one from the factory did.

Oh, and SHUT UP!!! laugh
Your plane looks nicer than mine!!!!!

We need to do a side-by-side photo at the next Ding-a-Ling meet!

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Originally Posted by Brian_Anderson
You can still see the original paint, (or previous paint) under the current paint that has been exposed around the rivets and on the skin lap joints....

This is CORROSION, and while minor now, you will have to have it addressed at some point before it gets worse.


Corrosion in the middle of a panel is something easily dealt with by scrubbing it away and repainting the affected spot. Corrosion at a seam or rivet line could be something horrible that requires rebuilding a structure to eliminate.

Corrosion is like cancer. It grows and spreads over time. Once it's found a way to crawl into the airplane, it has become (near) fatal.




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[quote=Kendel Corrosion at a seam or rivet line could be something horrible that requires rebuilding a structure to eliminate.
Corrosion is like cancer. It grows and spreads over time. Once it's found a way to crawl into the airplane, it has become (near) fatal.[/quote]

I didn't want to hijack this thread and make it into a paint discussion..but a lot of people balk at the idea of spending $10K on painting a "150"...
Many people look to going out of state for a cheaper price, stripping it themselves thinking that the actual paint coat is the real work (it's NOT), getting their favorite car painter to do it, and so on.....
Even a beautiful paint job will FAIL if the prep work is inadequate, improper or suspect- especially if all the stripper is not removed/naturalized or the metal surface is not prepared for the paint PROCESS to work...
So..what is the better value? A $5K job that deteriorates after 6-7 years, or a $10K+ job that will last another 30 like the original one did?.

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Konrad you sir are awesome. I plan to go take a closer look on wed or Thursday. Still waiting on loan approval too. Insurance quote came back this morning. 1300 a year for that smirk.


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$1300/year? As soon as you get your private pilot certificate, it should drop down to less than half of that.

Sounds like a great story about to unfold.

Hey Brian! Can Dr. Cavagnaro borrow your Aerobat at Clinton next week? grin


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