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Thanks Greg. Unfortunately, it is too late. 2 days after I saw the airplane, I called the owner again to arrange for a demo flight - at that time I would decide to make an offer or walk. He told me that the airplane sold. A buyer from Oregon put down a deposit without looking at the airplane or the records. A local EAA member (the plane is in Milwaukee)who is an A&P will look the airplane for the buyer and arrange the purchase.

Oh well, there are other 150's, but this was a nice one. Any advice on this experience?

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Any advice on this experience?

As you look at more and more airplanes, you'll get better at it. The key things to look for are getting more obvious to you, I'll bet.

At some point, the right airplane will appear and you'll
be mentally ready (and willing) to jump at it.


Stephen A. Mayotte

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A buyer from Oregon put down a deposit without looking at the airplane or the records.

Steve, I am very sympathetic. I just bought a 172. It is my first plane and I am having a similar experience. As "rookie" buyers we are advised to treat a potential purchase as "guilty until proven innocent" lest we be stuck with someone else's expensive problem. Yet, there are folks who will come along and just put down the money and ace us out of a plane.

My compromise recommendation (this is what I did) is to have an A&P check the logbooks. If he/she doesn't advise running away, then put down a deposit at that time and complete a purchase agreement making the sale contingent on the results of a more complete inspection.

Based on what you have told us already, it seems that you really had all of the information to make a basic go/no-go decision about a deposit. In other words, you should have your own personal criteria for whether such properly documented major repairs are a deal breaker or not. I understand that you are more technically saavy than the average buyer, but it does not seem that your own personal inspection would really give you enough addition information about such major repairs to tip the balance either way.

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I am also new to this. Our purchase was our first. He was asking 21k, and not IFR cert. The plane looked good. But we hired an independent mechanic to take a look at it and he pronounced it was only an "average" 150.

As I said, the owner spent 4k while it was in annual but we had put a deposit on it, having lost one or two just like you did (to a fast-depositer). So we were anxious to get a plane as the flying season was well under way (this was June of last year).

Well, as I have oft repeated, it took another 6k to get the plane running right, the invariable first year ownership surprises as most will warn you about. Thinking she was a beauty at the time, it was only after the sale was complete that I began to notice all the multitude of hangar rash, scratches, dings, dents, paint chips, etc., etc.

This was NOT the same plane I was looking at when we bought her. The lesson here was, and this is only a suggestion, but bring a non-flying buddy with you whose sole responsibility is to find flaws. We were looking through rose-glasses, giddy with the thought of ownership, and although we did some things right, like letting the seller pay for repairs during annual, using an independent mechanic, and offering him 3k less than asking after all that (which he accepted), we still hadn't seen the trees for the forest.

I think it is helpful to have someone to look it over who has no emotional attachment whatsoever. Finally, I will tell you one thing I am crystal clear on that I learned: if something doesn't seem right, it isn't. Run, don't walk. I learned that if you don't like the sellers attitude, be it in your face or completely flippant about things, there's a very good reason. I learned that many sellers are fully willing to lie to your face to get the sale done. This is truly caveat emptor. I learned too, that when it does feel right, put your money where your mouth is.

Best of luck!


Greg
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