| Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 5,975 Member/5000+posts! | Member/5000+posts! Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 5,975 | The costs associated with the 150HP conversion have been discussed many times on the forum... "Ballpark" figures to convert a stock 150 to 150hp run from $30K-$40K, so you could deduct the "core" value of the run out 0-200, the prop and spinner and maybe all the accessories and roll all that towards the conversion cost. It has been mentioned many times it would be less expensive to buy a 150 already converted, even if at TBO. | | | | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,775 Likes: 300 Member/7500+posts | Member/7500+posts Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,775 Likes: 300 | | | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,518 Likes: 6 Member/1500+posts | Member/1500+posts Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,518 Likes: 6 | Since we are talking about 150/150's, just wondering what the difference in cost would be if an overhaul was needed anyway and you just put a 150hp engine in? Anyone done that? That is what I am doing. The following is from another thread (also, keep in mind I live near a very large aircraft salvage yard and my hanger is within a half mile of Aircraft Spruce). I’m in the process of doing a "DelAir" 150 (160hp) conversion.
Harry Dellicker has been great to work with. I have heard some of the kits he sells have had some parts missing, but can't speak to that myself. I am only purchasing the STC, which comes with the paperwork, gross weight increase and nose bowl. The rest of the parts I have acquired myself, or built, from various sources.
Harry is very knowledgeable about the conversion and easy to work with. Additionally, the Bush's will not let you piecemeal a conversion (with their STC) like Harry will. You have to buy the entire Bush kit which, in my humble opinion, is outrageously priced. I found the customer service from the Bush’s (Barbara) to be poor as well (Not a happy lady the day I talked with her).
Good luck! I can’t wait to fly my 160/150.
Here is a list of what it has cost so far: STC (including new nose bowl) 1500.00 Case rework and carb 1500.00 E2J core (now officially a D2A w/ 160 hp STC) 5500.00 Rebuild/recert cost 4600.00 Starter (eBay) 75.00 Prop 1500.00 Spinner Assy 250.00 Engine mount 200.00 ..$50 from junkyard ..$100 repair/welding ..$50 powder coating Mag rebuild 200.00 Fuel Pump (eBay) 56.00 Exhaust system (eBay) 398.00 SUBTOTAL: 15779.00
CREDITS: O-200A core <4000.00> Prop <755.00> Exhaust System <457.00> SUBTOTAL: <5212.00>
TOTAL COST SO FAR: 10,567
STILL FOR SALE: Engine mount Prop spinner assembly Cowl bowl
.. | | | | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 5,975 Member/5000+posts! | Member/5000+posts! Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 5,975 | The biggest "plus" is having an A&P to do the work yourself.... If you had to pay labor to convert a 150 to the bigger engine, that is when you would probably be better off buying a plane already converted. Finding a 150/150 with a run-out engine would most likely sell for quite a bit less than one with a mid-time or newer engine, and that could be a great course to take-then you would only have to deal with a major o/h rather than a major conversion. | | | | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 5,951 Likes: 1 Member/5000+posts! | Member/5000+posts! Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 5,951 Likes: 1 | Tim, I am late, as usual, but it is never too late to welcome a new 150 enthusiast to the best type club anywhere.
You have been given a lot of good advice from some knowledgeable people and there is a lot more where that came from.
WELCOME to the CLUB. I look forward to meeting you at Clinton this summer. | | | | Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 750 Member/750+posts | Member/750+posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 750 | Welcome to the club Timothy, Gary cover it well. All I could add is find an airplane equipped the way you want and buy it, DO NOT TRY " Fixing it the way you want". I have a 152 with over $100,000 in it. I well never get back more than 25% at best.
I loved an 8E Luscombe I use to own, but unless your planning on flying into out of the way dirt strips, your better off keeping the tricycle gear. Don't rule out a 152... they can be converted to 125HP or you might find one already converted.
I feel that how often the plane is flown is as much a factor as the hours on it. My 152 has 1220 T.T. and 243 SMOH. I had to have on tank cut apart and welded, the other tank could not be repaired and had to be replaced. You do not want to get a plane that has sat and was not flown.
With my 8E Luscombe when I was flying about 25hr per month I had few problems with but when my flying dropped to a few hr per month my maintance went way up, things like wheel bearings ect.
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| | | | Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,526 Member/5000+posts! | Member/5000+posts! Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,526 | I have a 152 with over $100,000 in it. Where is it parked? Is it locked?........  Movable safes are in these day's. But you sir, have taking it to a whole never level. | | | | Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 766 Member/750+posts | Member/750+posts Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 766 | I've been watching your post about the conversion, Bill, for the same reasons. Why not slap some more horsepower on there if it's not much of a difference than an overhaul of the O-200? I am still in research mode though.
But I saw this for the 2nd time and wanted to ask:
"Rebuild/recert cost 4600.00"
So what was included in that price, just the bottom end or ?? I'm seeing half used O-200's with no accessories going for that price, which is why i'm asking.
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'69 Buckfitty.
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,518 Likes: 6 Member/1500+posts | Member/1500+posts Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,518 Likes: 6 | Matt,
That's a great question...I bid on a used O-320 engine, involved in an accident (prop strike), on eBay, which turned out to be junk.
If I had to do it again, I might go with an O-360...Still, the eBay engine only cost me $1400, including shipping, and came with a high compression piston STC and logbooks. Graham's Aircraft Engines, in Griffin, Ga., gave me a $1000 trade in credit for my old engine core and sold me a first run (2000 hour) E2J purchased from a state collage flying school.
Graham's re-certified the Crank, parts and rebuilt the cylinders for me. They sent out the original case to be reworked and re-certified (Divco) after I could not get a 337 to use an E2J with Del-Air's STC (anyone left out there who still thinks common sense is involved in FAA decisions?).
The biggest savings was having a good friend who is an A&P IA, rebuilds lots of lycomings and was willing to help/show me how to rebuild mine.
I would also be remiss if I did not give credit to Harry (DelAir) who has provided lots of information and spent lots of time on the phone with someone who still has not paid for/ordered the STC...(check will be in the mail this week)...I cannot recommend him more highly!!!
Back to the first part of your question; I doubt there is much difference between the weight of an O-320 vs an O-360 (even a couple pounds does make a difference though) however, this engine will still put out plenty (lots) of power and, keep in mind, I'm still using a beefed up 152 engine mount.
Further, I have reduced the weight as much as possible by eliminating the vacuum system, installing a light weight starter, alternator and "permanently" installing only the required VFR instruments (my removable EFIS/electronic flight bag is a whole "nother" discussion).
When I'm finished I hope to be near the same weight as the originally "loaded down" O-200A. I also plan on posting a detailed description of my installation, including the required additional parts, costs and problems encountered. | | | | Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 766 Member/750+posts | Member/750+posts Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 766 |
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