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Anyone know something I might not about this airplane?

Is it normal for a wing exchange repair not to have a 337 on the FAA files?

Thanks.

Accident Occurred on: 1987-02-14 00:00:00
Narrative (ACCP):
Narrative (ACCF): THE CESSNA 152 TOOK OFF AND AFTER BECOMING AIRBORNE, EXPERIENCED A TOTAL LOSS OF POWER. THE STUDENT PILOT WHO HAD MADE THE TAKEOFF TURNED CONTROL OF THE AIRCRAFT OVER TO THE FLIGHT INSTRUCTOR, WHO MADE AN EMERGENCY LANDING IN A DRAG STRIP PARKING LOT WHICH WAS COVERED WITH SNOW AND ICE. THE AIRCRAFT SKIDDED INTO A CHAIN LINK FENCE. THE STUDENT PILOT RECEIVED MINOR INJURIES WHILE THE FLIGHT INSTRUCTOR WAS NOT INJURED. THE AIRCRAFT RECEIVED SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGE. THE MAIN FUEL STRAINER WAS DRAINED AND IT WAS NOTED THE FUEL WAS APPROXIMATELY 50% WATER. THE FUEL IN THE UNDERGROUND TANK THAT WAS USED TO FUEL THE AIRCRAFT WAS CHECKED AND IT WAS NOTED THAT THE FUEL OUT OF THE PUMPS WAS APPROXIMATELY 10% WATER. IN ADDITION THE FUEL FILTERS WERE DIRTY AND CONTAINED ICE CRYSTALS. THE SOURCE OF THE WATER INTO THE UNDERGROUND FUEL TANKS WAS NOT DETERMINED

I also read that report on the NTSB website. Apparently they repaired it by changing the wings with another yellow tag pair and there were no further damage (at least according to the logs). What do you think?

Thanks.

The accident happened in 1987. The wing was replaced in 1993. That implied the plane sat unused for six years. Not a good thing.

Not a good thing especially if you bought the plane in 1993! But, if it's been flown and annualed regularly since, everything should be fine, after 12 years to fix it!

As I said in another thread, It deserves a good look, before purchase!

Alberto, no offense intended, but it would be easier for you (and us) to keep track if you posted about this airplane in only one thread! Are you viewing in Threaded or Flat mode? (Flat works better, I think!)

I am sorry for that, how do I change to flat mode? I am just hiting the reply button.

You are right in that it did?'t fly for several years, I don?t know how much harm that could have done to the airframe (apparently it was stored inside a hangar), however, the engine was remanufactured just three years ago.

How far away should an airplane be from the ocean so that salt water corrosion is no longer an issue anymore? if it has been aprox. 10 to 20 miles away from the shore and stored inside a hangar do you think it would be possible for it to have no corrosion at all as the seller afirms?

Thank.

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Charles

From what I've gathered from the posts, it sat for 6 years before 1993, but has been annualed and flown every year since. That 6 year period 12 years ago shouldn't be an issue, now. Any major problems would already have been repaired, hopefully. Factory Remanufactured engine only 3 years old? Good, but that's no guarantee!



Arizona!

There, or Antartica, is about the only place that an airplane can sit inside or outside and not develop some kind of corrosion. If aggressively watched for, treated, and kept in check, usually all you get is some minor "frost" (minor surface corrosion) inside the skins where you can't reach, but even this can go bad fast in isolated areas, such as in the fuel tank area Charles mentioned, or the wing "carry through" spars above the headliner. You will see this frost inside the wings, fuselage, and tail during annuals, when all the access panels are removed. Aircraft with bare metal skins inside, that have sat outside through repeated spring thaws, develop this frost faster inside the upper surfaces, where water condenses under the snow and ice chilled aluminum.

I've lived near the Florida coasts for over 20 years (Tampa bay area, then Jacksonville) and have seen and heard of very little corrosion I can attribute specifically to "salt air". I worked at the Jacksonville Naval Aviation Depot until my recent retirement, and although Naval aircraft are well treated against corrosion, I saw very little exposed metal that had problems from carrier operations at sea. It's not really exposure to salt air, or even salt water, that allows corrosion to form ... it's the neglect or incomplete washing afterwards! I have seen airplanes at coastal airports (St.Augustine comes to mind) turned into junk by being allowed to sit for a few weeks after a salt water wash from a hurricane. Even these airplanes could have been saved by an immediate disassembly and thorough fresh water wash! Even if an older aircraft has sat inside a hangar all it's life, it can and probably will still develop some surface corrosion or worse, unless the hangar happens to have environmental controls (unlikely).

Some well maintained older aircraft are almost corrosion free, but, in my opinion, all airplanes have corrosion somewhere! Some are just worse (sometimes much worse) than others. It's locating the corrosion, determining if it can be economically repaired before it does real damage, and how much it affects structural integrity, that are some of the real questions.

Sorry! I tend to ramble!

I did as you mentioned and it seems that I am already using flat mode and collapse threads.

Considering all your comments, I think I better find a "very good" mechanic to do the pre-buy inspection. Thank you very much, one can definitely learn a lot from others.

I finally decided not to buy that particular airplane.

Thank you all very much.