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I kind of like to be dramatic. That airport I spoke of is open to the public. Lots of people don't really practice short field things much. They get used to flying to the ground skimming like a frisbee until they come near the taxiway pointed towards a place on the field they want to go. Sometimes short final is the fastest segment of my flight as I try to blend in! Makes more sense than doing a carrier landing and taxiing at a walk for two miles.
I don't think a 150 ever had a problem at that airport I spoke off. Knowing you will use a good portion of the runway and be looking at trees is impressive at first, that is all. It is plenty long enough for any Cessna, most locals hardly use any of it landing, they are used to slowing down. The trees make some people nervous because of wind shear so they stay to high or fast and end up diving to the runway with too much speed. It works too but can use up space, slipping is better. Others land no brakes and have to add power to turn off. Just surprises transients from time to time!
Your worse case at 104f leaves you with a little more than 12.5% runway left at max gross no wind and 15% added for dry grass. On an 86% day I figure you will have 21% runway left max gross. I'd bet my plane that is in the ball park, all it has to do is leave the ground. Landing will be kinda fun sounds like you won't have wind shear and can eaily drag it in. It will be like landing on a carrier slightly out of the wind.
I have flown to a few grass fields. One access farm road and field. It goes fast on the dirt road. One place goes down hill then up. The turf is mowed hay in places. They do their best but it has lots more drag with tufts and little ruts to catch the tires here and there, that field is so long I never gave the roll a thought. Another one has better grass, the surface is harder and smoother, like the good section of the first one, and really I never notice much difference from pavement, the place seems to always have a nice breese that helps too.
My experience is limited. I can say there is a difference in the drag depending on the turf. The farm road was fast, all packed down with grass in the center. With no obstructions I would just be sure I knew where the ends were for landing. What is the worse thing you could hit? This post says Headsets and is under buying. If you ask specifically about your strip under piloting maybe someone with more experience willl respond.
I'd try it alone with half fuel on a 75f day the first time just to get a feel for it. I bet if the ground were packed hard like an access road and he grass kept short it would be better than average too. Now I've looked at the graph I think you can do it easy, no obstructions, under gross wt. but please don't trust my judgement!

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At the other end there is a stop sign on the chain link fence about two feet from where the pavement ends. They can't add a gate because of a busy road and it seems every once in a while someone can't read the Stop sign when they are landing, so they hit the fence, then kinda stop.

I have heard that hey can change out that fence in about
5 min. now !

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Well guys I did it bought the Lightspeed 20XLc today for 399.00 and than took a 350nm trip and I could not believe the difference in the way ANR reduces the noise. No wind noise at all and the engine noise is a nice smooth tone and I think if there were a problem you would hear it sooner with the ANR. A friend with me said that they sounded great on the intercom.

Thanks for the advice on Lightspeed headset.
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Say Don, If you end up with a 150 and start flying from the little strip you may like to consider vortex generators and perhaps aileron gap seals. They may take the challenge out of it but could pay off on less than perfect days. I think it was Grants Pass Bill who just installed the generators on his plane and has reported spectacular stall resistance. Those seem to offer the biggest bang for the buck in modifications.
The gap seals are said to improve low speed handling. There is information on these things on the site somewhere.

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No doubt about it...VGs are the single best value in performance mods available for the 150. Inexpensive and a snap to install.


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Civilization is the limitless multiplication of unnecessary necessities. (Mark Twain)


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I am flying a 1978 152 with the Hoerner Style Fiberglass tips on it and also a 1966 150 with standard tip and the 152 flies circles around the 150 with standard tip. The take off distance is a lot shorter and climb is faster in the 152 with the Hoerner Tips. I bet if you could use the Hoerner tips and the vortex generators on a 150/152 he would have a nice STOL machine. Would there be anything wrong with adding both kits? I did a search for the vortex generators on the web and found them for 695.00 is that about right price?

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I am flying a 1978 152 with the Hoerner Style Fiberglass tips on it and also a 1966 150 with standard tip and the 152 flies circles around the 150 with standard tip.

Realize that a large part of that speed difference is because the 152 has 10% more horsepower than the 150. The delta may be even greater if the 150's timing has been retarded to 24-degrees when using the original Continental cylinders.

Royson conducted an extensive (exhaustive?) test of the Hoerner, Madras and Stock wingtips a while back. The difference in cruise speed was only 2mph. Slow flight was improved a bit as well. Overall, the difference to me wasn't enough to justify buying new wingtips unless I was replacing broken ones.


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