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Parting Fuselages
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It's starting to cool down a bit (only 99F today) and so I've started taking apart a 150F fuselage. If anybody needs parts, let me know. I will be listing them on eBay, but of course will sell cheaper to a club member.

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Kendel_McCarley #672749 10/09/24 10:42 PM
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Kendal, Do you have the tail numbers of these airplanes?


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Originally Posted by Mark
Kendal, Do you have the tail numbers of these airplanes?
Yes. Why do you ask?


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Kendel_McCarley #672755 10/10/24 09:41 AM
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We have a large collection of photos of Cessna 150s and 152s, and we're working on a solution to post them on the website. Whenever I see a 150 in the wild, I shoot a picture of it to add to the collection. I especially shoot abandoned, wrecked, and scrap airplanes to close the loop on many of these airplanes. So, if I can have your permission to use your photo and the tail number of these poor airplanes to add to the collection.


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Kendel_McCarley #672765 10/10/24 04:33 PM
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No thanks. There's no benefit to me for agreeing to that, but there is potential for harm.

I had problems with some "self appointed internet police" threatening to report me to the FAA earlier this year because a partial Cardinal fuselage from which I salvaged a carry through spar had the same N number as a flying aircraft. The Cardinal was rebuilt from a wreck in 1980 and the aft part of the fuselage with the carry through ended up in a scrap yard in Tucson, where I found it. These were complete strangers who didn't appear in the FAA airmen or mechanic databases. They weren't interested in buying the spar. Yet, two of them demanded copies of the logbooks for their own inspection because they googled the N number from the pictures and decided they should take action. Another guy threatened to turn me in (for what, I don't know), but then offered to take the spar off my hands for dirt cheap because, he said "I know a guy who can fix it with the FAA".

There's too much information on the internet already and there's no way to control how it will be used in the future by trolls, fraudsters, AI bots, or the outright stupid. Imagine if I decided to rebuild one of the airframes into a flying aircraft, but you've posted pictures of it as scrap.

If any of these parts find new homes to help put another airplane back in the air, I will write the N number on it with a Sharpie so as to provide traceability for a mechanic and/or owner. I suggest you leave the keeping of airplane records to the FAA and not open yourself up to liability by providing alternative information. There's no need for you to take on the task of "closing the loop". You might find the activity to be fun and think you're doing something valuable (that nobody has appointed you to do, by the way), but I don't see any benefit to it.


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Kendel_McCarley #672800 10/11/24 11:39 AM
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Kendel,

I find your response to Mark's post interesting. As a Club, we try to be the "go to" source for all information related to the Cessna 150/152. With that idea in mind, we try to collect as much information, data and minutiae about these aircraft as we possibly can. If you choose not to share the N numbers of the planes in your possession, that is certainly your right. However, to infer that Mark is taking it upon himself to collect private information is not correct.

As the Director of Operations for this Club, He is doing exactly what the Board of Directors and Officers have asked him to do. That is, collect and maintain any and all information related to the Cessna 150/152.

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Are salvage/scrapped aircraft reported as such to the feds ? Alan


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Originally Posted by Kendel_McCarley
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I had problems with some "self appointed internet police" threatening to report me to the FAA earlier this year because a partial Cardinal fuselage from which I salvaged a carry through spar had the same N number as a flying aircraft. ...............


What a jerk. N-numbers are reassigned all the time. It's completely normal.


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Kendel_McCarley #672844 10/13/24 02:41 AM
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I understand where Kendel is coming from and reading his rationale, i support him fully. Mark and management have ZERO nefarious underlying ideas - all they want to do is have a repository in one stop of as much information regarding our birds. However, the possibility does exist that any information could be misused, and while it's unlikely the complaining parties would win in court, there's still the cost of proving yourself innocent. Sadly, this is the world we live in, and we're all worse off for it.


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Originally Posted by Ed Pataky
I understand where Kendel is coming from and reading his rationale,
I'm Sorry that Kendal had to deal with someone that doesn't understand that N numbers sometimes get re-issued hence the aircraft with an N number that he was parting out was also flying.
On the other hand,
Originally Posted by Kendal
I suggest you leave the keeping of airplane records to the FAA and not open yourself up to liability by providing alternative information. There's no need for you to take on the task of "closing the loop". You might find the activity to be fun and think you're doing something valuable (that nobody has appointed you to do, by the way), but I don't see any benefit to it.
could have just been a simple No, I don't feel comfortable doing that and not a lecture to Mark (and the club).
First, it's not providing "alternative information" as the FAA should be notified anytime a plane is scrapped and no longer registered. It's just another location to find the information that the FAA already has.
Second, as George pointed out, we are THE Cessna 150-152 Club and as a such, we try to be the "go to" source for all information related to the Cessna 150/152. With that idea in mind, we try to collect as much information, data and minutiae about these aircraft as we possibly can.
Third, Because someone doesn't feel something is valuable others might find that information valuable. This collection of data is a continuation of what the last 2 owners of the club had started. You may not see a benefit to it but others do.
the comment that nobody has appointed you to do, by the way is out of line as you have no idea if someone asked Mark (and the club) for this information or not.

With the thought process of not providing info would mean that we should not post ADs, answer questions on maintenance or other info with fear of opening ourselves up to liability by providing alternative information. that would certainly be the end of Type Clubs.

Again, a simple No, I don't feel comfortable doing that would have sufficed.


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