| Joined: May 2018 Posts: 103 Member/100+posts | Member/100+posts Joined: May 2018 Posts: 103 | So I have traded a few emails with the owner. It's an amazing aircraft and VERY well maintained. The ONLY issues that I see:
1. Aerobat Checkered pattern is no longer on cowl & spinner (he repainted and I'm not sure the white matches rest of plane). So, you could have just the cowl redone. Not a huge deal
2. Price: $60K -> Vref is $42K configured as his plane is (IFR Garmin Stack, 20SMOH, Engine Monitor, etc.).
#2 is my hangup. $18k over vref is steep, but it is a rare bird. But, Vref accounts for that right?
Thoughts? | | | | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 25,411 Likes: 995 Member/25,000 posts | Member/25,000 posts Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 25,411 Likes: 995 |
#2 is my hangup. $18k over vref is steep, but it is a rare bird. But, Vref accounts for that right?
I don't think Vref accounts for collector's value. | | | | Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 35,559 Likes: 559 DA POOBS Member with 30,000+ posts!! | DA POOBS Member with 30,000+ posts!! Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 35,559 Likes: 559 | vref is consistently off base. ![[Linked Image from animatedimages.org]](https://www.animatedimages.org/data/media/218/animated-penguin-image-0137.gif) [ animatedimages.org] Imagine a united world. Join the Popular Front for the Reunification of Gondwanaland. | | | | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,775 Likes: 300 Member/7500+posts | Member/7500+posts Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,775 Likes: 300 | I agree with Hung and Poobs. Vref is (I think) one good baseline to use, but I don't think it accounts for cream puff airplanes. I'm not exactly sure how to figure a good selling price for one like that. | | | | Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 11,924 Likes: 411 Member/10,000+ posts! | Member/10,000+ posts! Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 11,924 Likes: 411 | It’s only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.
You have to decide what it’s worth to you.
If you have the means, you can offer $42k for it and see if the seller bites.
If he accepts, you have an Aerobat. If not, you will have to decide what it’s worth to you.
What it really comes down to is how badly you want an Aerobat and how much can you afford?
Keep in mind, “never fall in love with another’s airplane.”
David Rowland 7CO0 | | | | Joined: May 2018 Posts: 103 Member/100+posts | Member/100+posts Joined: May 2018 Posts: 103 | All good advice. Capital to purchase isn't an issue. Getting what constitutes a fair price does even if it's a premium. Just not sure how to value this one. I'll never fault him/anyone for getting as much as possible for it. This particular Aerobat is VERY nice. $60k Nice? For me, I'm not quite there, but for others, it may be a slam dunk. | | | | Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 11,924 Likes: 411 Member/10,000+ posts! | Member/10,000+ posts! Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 11,924 Likes: 411 | You’re trying to quantify something that really isn’t quantifiable.
You’ll have to come up with a figure that is likely to get you an Aerobat but won’t keep you up at night.
Only you know what that is, and you may not know that you know it.
David Rowland 7CO0 | | | | Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 2,316 Likes: 53 Member/1500+posts | Member/1500+posts Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 2,316 Likes: 53 | You could hire an official aircraft appraiser through something like the National Association of Aircraft Appraisers - See http://www.aircraftappraisersinternational.com/naaa/Also, if you get a subscription to Trade-A-Plane, you get access to an NAAA appraisal tools that lets you input more variables than Vref to get another datapoint on the value of the plane you are considering.
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| | | | Joined: May 2018 Posts: 103 Member/100+posts | Member/100+posts Joined: May 2018 Posts: 103 | Not ready to go that far (appraiser). Still determining if an Aerobat is even for me. I'll admit it does get the blood going just by looking at it!  | | | | Joined: Jul 2013 Posts: 6,335 Likes: 1004 Member/5000+posts! | Member/5000+posts! Joined: Jul 2013 Posts: 6,335 Likes: 1004 | I always think it's good to return to basics: what's the mission? I bought J-mo to get an instrument rating in, get more experience with cross country flying. Gain experience with airplane ownership. Give friends and my kids enjoyable rides. All in an affordable way.
The plane somewhat defines my mission, too, so, owning that beautiful Aerobat would mean I could fly the cross countries I currently fly, but with perhaps even less useful load. I could learn some aerobatics, given a light enough instructor. Insurance cost would be a bit higher, with the higher hull value. I would be less likely to want to "risk" the airplane landing on grass, due to the lovely paint. I'd be more fastidious, and worry more about keeping it good looking. For me, compared with J-mo, a net negative.
Still, for someone itching to learn aerobatics, who likes nice-looking things, that plane might be perfect. | | |
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