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Makes me wonder, If the new owner goes to AIG and attempts to insure it, is AIG going to put the N number in their database and realize they have already totaled it once? Possibly they will insure it but I'll bet they will require proof of repairs before they do! Boy, that would be a real eye opener for an unsuspecting new owner.

Charles

That?s a question I can answer for certain and the answer is no. There are a lot of aircraft out there that have "hail damage" that are in otherwise great shape. Most often hail damage is superficial and I got the answer tonight from an IA, hail damage does not need to be reported in the logs since it?s not the result of an accident. You guys are right though, bondo is a big no no.

My new Mooney is a hail salvage and I got the story straight from the previous owner. He was upside down in it and just had the insurance company total it out, no mention of it in the logs and I had no problems insuring her for what she's worth and not what I paid. I personally did the annual on her before I cut the check and my new bird is next to flawless, if you can find more than the 5 dings I did then I'll buy you a tank of Avgas.

Check out www.aigaviation.com [aigaviation.com] and you'll find their list of recently salvaged aircraft. Some are crashed but a lot are hail salvage. I've spent the summer ferrying a few of them back here to Dallas and I've got to tell you that it?s the way to go if you're looking for a great plane cheap. Get an AI you trust and it?s really a golden opportunity for a great aircraft.

Really from what I've seen this is much ado about nothing since its no secret that there are lots of less than honest people selling everything under the sun. Like I said, get yourself an AI that knows what he's doing and you trust implicitly and your problems will be few and far between.

But always remember: Caveat Emptor.


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This reminds me of Roy's cherokee - it was water damaged during one of the hurricanes in 2005. See "Ebay Airplane Scam 4641137885" thread under "everything else".

If I remember correctly, someone eventually contacted the bidders. They cancelled their bids. The seller then relisted, but made the auction private. That's probably what will happen here....

At least you did what you could ......

JC

Yes, it is against Ebay's rules to interfere with another person's selling. I've been down this road before. I collect Seiko watches and know them pretty well. Sometimes I see a seller GROSSLY misrepresent the watch he's selling as "all original" when it was actually put together with mis-matched parts. I'd email the bidders to warn them. Some bidders appreciated the warnings. Some bidders accused me of scaring them off so that I can win the item. One time a bidder stupidly forwarded my email to the seller; the seller filed a complaint with Ebay and I got a warning. After that, I said the hell with them and let the buyers beware.

SCREW EBAY Those A$#$^$$# have ripped me off more and more and the people are ruining it!!! people like that are selling that 150!!!!. I mean imagine how you feel if you didnt no to much and it was your first plane and it there was something so unseen... Man what can one do?

There are still plenty of honest people on Ebay, but it takes a while to weed out the losers. I've dealt with people all over the world through Ebay and I'll put my plane on there when I sell it. In my opinion, it's the best advertising money can buy. I've been watching this with interest. He's inviting people to come look at it? I'm curious to know what he did to hide the damage. I'm sure the FAA will want to have a talk with him if there's bondo on the wings. I'm not sure how it works, but auto body guys can remove dents sometimes without hurting the paint. I'd have to think that the strength of the aluminum would still be compromised.

I grew up around airports, airplanes, pilots and mechanics. Back in the late 50s, I thought my dad was the real Sky King and all the guys he worked with were Knights in Shinning Armor. I still rank these folks as my favorites of all favorites and especially the mechanics that maintained the airplanes where my dad worked. (These guys were INCREDIBLE...)

When a scoundrel (like the shyster who sold my "World's Fastest Cherokee" on Ebay a couple of months ago lied about it's history, I knew he violated more than just a representation of that airplane. But, there are a few fast buck artists in this industry, but I am still very proud to associate with aviators, mechanics and this club... I don't think there is a bad apple in this group.

I think when a scoundrel is found, he/she sould be weeded out, or at least be named for the crook he/she is, especially if the lie has the potential to harm someone physically and/or financially.

Right on Jared...


When I contacted Ebay about my Cherokee, I told them that the airplane used to be owned by me, and it was flooded extensively by salt water. I told them it was a dangerous airplane. I NEVER hear back from Ebay, they took no action and now some unsuspecting owner is flying around in a Cherokee with rusting wing-spar (steel) attach plates holding the wings on (and other problems...)

Ebay management is just as crooked as the shysters who are selling damaged airplanes.

N98319 (my old Cherokee) is still registered to the guy I sold it to (a nice and honorable person) but if anybody ever sees this Cherokee parked on a ramp, do the new owner a favor and leave a note on his plane to contact me!

I have to agree with Tracey. Self policing and feedback are what we have to go by. Ebay cannot possibly check out items for sale. I've never been ripped by ebay management, although they can be quite frustrating to deal with. Recently I listed an old ipod that needed repair and it was bid up to $56.00. The high bidder wanted me to include more stuff with it (clearly described as not included in the auction), so he refused to buy it. He also said that he'd leave me negative feedback if I did it for him. I forwarded it to Ebay and it didn't quite meet the feedback extortion criteria. So, in order for me to protect my 100% rating, he gets away with it. Ironically, it sold for $100.00 when relisted. Ok, back to the subject of this thread. What he's doing is fraud, no doubt. But, he could have it listed in trade-a-plane, or any number of other sites or publications and they would not be responsible for his description. Maybe the FAA could make a note in the registry when a plane is totaled. A Google search for N5793E didn't turn up any evidence of the damage. I can't believe anyone would bid on it without at least searching the N# online.

Yes, Ebay can't police small things like a broken iPod, but an airplane that has been described as a "death trap" by a former owner who see's it on Ebay is a totally different issue.

Ebay (frequently) stops auctions of copyright violations. Some guy was selling photo-copied blueprints for a homebuilt airplane and they canceled his account. Likewise, if someone is known to sell a $10 pirated music CD, the auction is stopped. But if someone contacts Ebay and says a $30,000 airplane was lied about on their service, they turn a blind eye. But sell a $10 CD that you copied, and they stop the crook. A crook is a crook is a crook, and one who lies about the condition (safety) of an airplane on Ebay should be checked into, and Ebay ISN'T doing anything about this.