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This deal is a pig in a poke. I really like these planes but the premium price they command makes them impractical for my mission. From the price range I generally see one could get a decent 182 and have a few $$ left over.

If they're saying a bore-scope inspection is okay, the engine has to be rotated so each piston can be moved to the bottom of the stroke.

This has to be done so the bore-scope camera can be positioned inside the cylinder properly to inspect the valves and cylinder walls.

A stuck valve would be the least of anyone's worries.


I know this is not your plane, Wayne and you're simply trying to help someone out which makes it tough on you to answer questions and defend their reasoning but the restrictions in place make no sense........that's not the way planes are typically bought and sold and most everybody knows that.



Jim

I think the stipulation is due to the situation - I suspect an estate attorney has advised her to sell the plane "as is - where is" to minimize liability.

When my father passed our attorney said not to drive any of his cars. If there was an accident the estate could be sued.

If someone "inspected" the engine (started, turned prop, etc.), and someone else bought it and the engine failed, they could sue saying that if it hadn't been "improperly inspected" it would've been fine. They might argue that turning the prop without running just wiped the oil off the cylinders, or that a ground-run without flying doesn't warm up the engine enough to remove the acids and water-vapor by-products of combustion

Also, right now the engine's condition is big unknown. Turning the prop, or starting it, would answer that question. And it likely won't be a good answer. By leaving it alone, the smart money will bid accordingly, but there'll be some people bidding higher, willing to take a chance.

I hate to say it, but "hands off" is probably the best option for this widow - the most return for the least effort and expense.

Yes. Think of the sale like an auction. The aircraft is moving across the block, and bidding can take place by contacting the seller rep, and offering a bid. But it is more like a "slow motion" auction. Any cylinder inspection takes place with pistons in current location. No moving the prop to inspect added length of cylinders. Yes, this may lead to the most return for the least effort, expense and liability. Personally, I think someone will get a good deal. I can try to meet the seller rep at the airport, take pictures, and post them.
Thanks, Wayne

Wayne,

It might be a fantastic deal and it might also be a gigantic money pit. Without getting to run the motor or do a proper borescope thats a HUGE gamble. Probably too big for most folks comfort level.

My guess on this is an engine like that probably costs around 30K to overhaul...maybe a bit less. The airframe is probably not worth more than 8-10K without a motor. That would be my bid.

Hows that sound??

I would only consider buying it assuming the engine is a core for sending to Continental too exchange.

Hi Wayne.

I prefer keeping the C-150 we have so am not interested at all, but I just wanted to say you are a good person for helping this poor widow out in trying to sell something her deceased husband loved but she probably just doesn't understand. It looks to me like this would be a good purchase for an A&P/IA that could afford to risk a little since he/she could fix any problems themselves. Probably not such a good deal for a typical owner/pilot like most of us. Thank you for helping this poor woman out in her time of need.

Well put, Stacey......I regret not including something like this in my post as Wayne deserves a humongous thumbs up for attempting to help out like this.



Jim

Thanks for your kind words. However, just to be clear, I am not the seller representative. A good friend in our EAA chapter is the seller representative. His name is Jerry. When I learned about the situation, I visited with Jerry, and wanted to help bring an increased awareness of the "opportunity", hopefully helping out both him and the widow. Rule of thumb would say that a broader awareness has the potential to result in a more competitive sale price, which would be good for the widow. Personally, I would bring the 172 into annual, and then sell. But there are other people involved that have much more to say about the situation than myself, and funds are not available. I'm only the messenger. If anyone is interested in more information, or bidding, PM me and I will provide information to contact Jerry, the seller representative. And the 172 is really nice - just don't know about the inside of the engine...
Thanks, Wayne

You might want to join the Cessna172Club.com forums and post this plane over there. There are a few people that love XP's that hang out over there. Membership is free.