| Joined: Mar 2013 Posts: 2,370 Likes: 156 Member/1500+posts | Member/1500+posts Joined: Mar 2013 Posts: 2,370 Likes: 156 | Hi Roy,
I'm curious to hear your thoughts on not running beyond TBO. Did you have any symptoms of eminent failure or oil testing?
Jim No. I actually think my engine was a pretty good candidate for running beyond TBO. Oil analyses were all very good. I replaced the cylinders about 600 hours ago and they're all still 79/80. And the kind of flying I do -- frequent, and quite a few relatively long flights -- should aid longevity. You have to realize, though, that while a bad oil analysis definitely indicates trouble, good ones don't mean that nothing serious is wrong or about to happen. But replacing the engine now has some advantages, not all unrelated to my age (just turned 70). I've only been licensed for 7 years and want to get in as much flying as I can while I can. By replacing the engine now, I can dictate when the plane will be grounded rather than having it happen at a possibly inconvenient time like the middle of the good flying season -- and/or at an inconvenient place. At my current flying rate of about 200 hours per year, I should get ten years out of a new engine, and think it's fairly likely I'll be finished with flying by then. So stretching the time on the old engine (by what, one or two years max?) probably wouldn't be much benefit except maybe in resale value if the new engine outlives my flying career. My engine log is incomplete and doesn't show the first 1000 hours or so from the time the plane was new. But it appears that the current engine is the original one, it has 7,000 hours on it, and has been overhauled at least three times (the first at about 1000 hours for unknown reasons). And although it's anecdotal, a local highly respected engine shop remarked that it's seen quite a few major problems (e.g., cracked journals) on over-TBO O-200s. I frequently fly over very rugged terrain and often carry a passenger, so I'd rather err on the side of caution when it comes to maximizing engine reliability. And I'm not the kind of person who lets liability worries dictate his life, but can imagine what prosecution fodder an over-TBO engine would make if a failure were to cause an accident. I can otherwise show that I take very good care of my airplane. One immediate consideration is that my wife and I are planning to fly from Oregon to Maine and back this summer and I'll feel a little more secure with a new engine (worn in past the infant mortality period) than with one that's past TBO. So those are my reasons for swapping out the engine now. I considered selling the plane and getting another, but I've spent so much time and money getting all the little and big problems on this one fixed, getting it set up for IFR, and adding extras (to the ones it already had), that I don't want to start over with another plane. After all is said and done, that route might have been a little less expensive (but not necessarily so) but it would almost surely consume a huge amount of time I'd rather spend flying. Everybody's situation is different so I'm sure most people will choose different options. Roy Hi Roy. I am (was) in exactly the same boat. My O-200 is at 2300 hours! Near as I can tell the last overhaul was done at 9400 hours on the "original" engine  Even more incredible is the fact that in the past 2300 hours the cylinders have NEVER been touched! Compressions at annual (Jan 16) were 71,73,74,72 and the oil was clean (never have done analysis). The airplane was a trainer for decades which is why it has lasted so long and runs so well - very well maintained. But my wife, without knowing anything about airplanes, decided that the engine is way past time and she is very uncomfortable with me flying - and she forbids me to take our kids flying (that's REALLY not cool). She of course fears a catastrophic failure in flight resulting in a smoking crater. Of course that isn't likely to happen, but he fears aren't without some foundation. So I was faced with the prospect of either replacing the engine on this plane, or replacing the airplane with a lower time specimen. Given the fact that mine has 14000 TTAF, hail damage and a beat up interior, it just didn't make sense to me to spend $20K plus R&R costs on that old (which isn't really old in 150-land - it is a 1976M) airplane I went looking for a total replacement. I was fortunate to find a (what I hope is) very good airplane. I am comfortable with the $25.5K I spent on this airplane with very good paint and interior, 5400 TTAF, 425 SMOH, and some extra goodies like VGs, flap gap seals (whether they do anything or not is irrelevant as they are installed!), LED flashing NAV wingtip lights, 4-point harnesses, brand new battery, etc. I figure I would have spent close to that amount just getting back in the air with an overhauled engine on the old plane, and I would still have a worn out plane (unlike yourself with a very good airplane otherwise). BUT, at the same time, the old gal flies straight, runs strong and is still perfectly usable. Hopefully potential buyers can still see that... As noted - for how much longer.... Good luck with the new engine - I understand fully and respect your decision to go that route! Eric
Last edited by Eric_Peterson; 03/04/16 05:49 PM.
1968 150H C-FCUT
| | | | Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,113 Likes: 48 Member/1000+posts | Member/1000+posts Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,113 Likes: 48 | Thanks, Roy, for sharing. I learn so much reading through folks' processing to come to a decision. Gives me lots to think about when my time comes. I'm like you in that I came back to flying recently and am 5 years behind you in age. My goal is to fly as much as I can as long as I can!
Regina Chandler 1976 C150M, N7819U The Phoenix
| | | | Joined: May 2009 Posts: 4,523 Likes: 363 Member/2500+posts | Member/2500+posts Joined: May 2009 Posts: 4,523 Likes: 363 | . . . And you are fortunate to have the means to not let finances color your decision too much. Indeed. I'm very (and undeservedly) fortunate in many ways. I'm living proof that life ain't fair. But just think how fortunate all of us here are, to be able to partake at all in the joy of flight! Roy
States where I've landed my 150 | | | | Joined: May 2014 Posts: 2,999 Member/2500+posts | Member/2500+posts Joined: May 2014 Posts: 2,999 | Good Stuff !! Thanks for posting.
Blue Skies, Gene N5977J
| | | | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,775 Likes: 300 Member/7500+posts | Member/7500+posts Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,775 Likes: 300 | But just think how fortunate all of us here are, to be able to partake at all in the joy of flight! I agree 100%. It is easy to get a little envious of faster/bigger airplanes, but to be able to fly at all is a joy and we need to remember that  . Thanks for the reminder! | | | | Joined: Jul 2013 Posts: 576 Member/500+posts | Member/500+posts Joined: Jul 2013 Posts: 576 | But just think how fortunate all of us here are, to be able to partake at all in the joy of flight! I like it! I have two planes, slow and slower. But I enjoy the heck out of them, and I know I am fortunate to have either.
1967 C182K
| | | | Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 21,756 Likes: 2265 Member/20,000 posts | Member/20,000 posts Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 21,756 Likes: 2265 | My goal is to fly as much as I can as long as I can! Stay the course, Regina......stay the course.  Jim
Cessna 150/150, N2259M - Mighty Mouse
| | | | Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 21,756 Likes: 2265 Member/20,000 posts | Member/20,000 posts Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 21,756 Likes: 2265 | Good Stuff !! Thanks for posting. +1 Jim
Cessna 150/150, N2259M - Mighty Mouse
| | | | Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 1,752 Member/1500+posts | Member/1500+posts Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 1,752 | Roy:
You made the right choice FOR YOU.
I'll keep flying my engine until there's some actual reason to OH or replace it, but the most important thing is that you be CONFIDENT in your aircraft, especially if flying your lady around in it. | | | | Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 1,752 Member/1500+posts | Member/1500+posts Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 1,752 | It is easy to get a little envious of faster/bigger airplanes, but to be able to fly at all is a joy and we need to remember that  . Thanks for the reminder! Faster/bigger airplanes often take the joy OUT of flying, so there is no need for envy. Think about it. If you want to go fly a 150, you GO FLY the 150. You might shoot a few landings, or you might head off to a $50 hamburger somewhere, or just go look at the scenery at a blistering Mach 0.14, and you might change your mind about what to do halfway through the flight. If you have a much faster/bigger plane, you DON'T often go fly for fun. You fly for a REASON, not only because it's more expensive to fly, but because there's more involved in flying at 200 KIAS than at 90 KIAS. You have to give a lot more attention to the 30-degree cone in front of you, simply because you're moving so fast that you need all the reaction time you can get, while at the same time you have to deal with all of the cockpit controls. With the 150, you can look around more and HAVE FUN, you don't have to be on a mission to justify the cost of the flight. So, yes, it would be nice to have that 310 that's in the hangar next to yours, but it probably spends a lot more time IN THE HANGAR, while you're out flying around. | | |
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