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100LL.com [100ll.com] and AirNav [airnav.com]. AirNav has more info about the airport, FBO, courtesy car, restaurants, etc. Great for planning long trips.

Thanks !! I just downloaded AirNav for my iPhone and it asked for login so I used the login I use for many websites and in the settings it had my home airport from way back when I was living in Cannon Creek Airpark in Florida so I guess I used it back then. "100LL" was also new to me so I added it to my laptop and as a bookmark on my phone also.

While looking around I also found an IOS app for auto gas without ethanol called "PURE GAS". It doesn't give you prices but it gives you the gas station information including phone number and distance to each location.

I'm beginning to remember how much I enjoyed flying for fun before I got sucked into flying for a living.

The O-200 loves corn-free autogas, just get the STC. It's better than 100LL. If you get a tank on a small trailer, you can probably find a gas jobber in your area which will sell you 75 or 100 gallons straight from the pipe, before they add ethanol. I know one guy who bought a however-many-thousand-gallon tank trailer and buys autogas at wholesale pricing. Since it goes into his planes he doesn't pay road tax on it so he saves even more. Since it's a trailer, he doesn't have the buried-tank permit stuff to deal with.

Yes, auto gas works fine. I owned a Robinson R22 Mariner with an STC for a few years and used auto gas in it for over 1000 hours and never had any issues. Ended up selling it when I started flying helicopters for work. I still don't understand why I went back to work after retiring from the Air Force...

I have to find a place to upload some of my previous aircraft pictures so I can add the links here.

I toyed with the same idea when I had my 150. Though it didn't get much beyond the daydreaming stage, I heard that carrying a trailer full of gas (even modest amounts) requires permit(s) or approval(s). Anyone look into that further? Is it state-by-state, or Federal, or non-existent?

In Canada the tank itself has to be certified for gasoline. Very different and much more expensive than diesel. You can transport up to 450 litres (118 US gallons) of diesel without a certified tank, paperwork or training. This does not apply to gasoline.

The limit for gasoline is 2000 litres (528 US gallons) without paperwork or training, but must be in a Transport Canada approved container (very expensive).

It's regulated here by federal law. Maximum 196 (if I remember correctly) gallons and you don't need any placards or special anything. The way around having more fuel is you get two 196 gallon tanks but they CAN'T be connected. We put 2 in the back of a pickup truck to refuel a tour helicopter. If you have a large enough trailer you could put many 55 gallon drums but they can not be connected or you'll need a hazmat endorsement on your driver's license and all kinds of inspections and placards.

I think a 55 gallon drum is good enough so the fuel doesn't sit long, of course unless you're flying more and need more.

HAZMAT is based on the TOTAL weight of hazardous materials being carried as cargo. For gasoline, a couple of 55-gallon drums is about as much as you can have without a CDL with HAZMAT endorsement.

I just remembered (because I saw the picture of the tanks, lol) that the maximum, in at least Florida and Texas which are the 2 states where I researched the systems, as long as each tank was not bigger than 119 gallons and were not interconnected you didn't need placards. If you were driving a company truck then you needed a CDL but if it was a personal truck then no CDL needed. In either of these scenarios a hazmat endorsement was not needed.

I remember we had to install 2 separate electric pumps, one to each tank, because the Texas DPS trooper told us if the tanks were connected by anything then it was considered one tank and it would need placards.

I used this setup flying helicopters in Florida when I worked for Universal Air and also while flying helicopters in Canyon Lake Texas. A google search might bring up the correct statutes.

I can't talk about other states though, it might be different.

I looked through my Part 135 hazmat training and found this link
http://www.fs.fed.us/t-d/fueltran/training/genawaretrng.pdf

On page 29 it mentions the less than 119 gallon tank thing. I'm sure if I kept looking I'd find more but last night I was researching which aircraft to buy and went to bed at 4:20 am and my girlfriend got upset. It's already 12:33 am and it's not in my best interest to do it again so, Goodnight to all !!

Carlos, did you fly air ambulance/EMS around Comal County, in a Jet Ranger... say, around 1999 - 2000 or so? I remember an evacuation from a car accident along the north end of the River Road along the Guadalupe that was a pretty incredible piece of chopper flying.