| | Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,969 Member/10,000+ posts! | | Member/10,000+ posts! Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,969 | I think the 175 has a GO-300. It's geared and runs at higher RPM (3300 or some such maybe) and generates 175 hp. You are correct, Jeff. Apples and oranges when comparing the 172 to the 175. If you were down to 500 FPM with 175 horsepower, if you only had 135 horsepower out front as in a 172???????  | | | | | Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 18,962 Likes: 3 Member/15,000 posts | | Member/15,000 posts Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 18,962 Likes: 3 | I agree with Bill! The ethanol probably didn't hurt a thing! There are no 100% FAA legal airplanes (not even new ..... give me a flashlight, inspection mirror, and some free time and I can prove it!) The price is higher than most comparable 172's. You're paying for the low total times here, and that may be overpriced, too!
It's like finding a 1965 Mustang convertable with only 10,000 miles on it! Some people would pay a lot extra for it above others, just because of the low miles! I wouldn't, because then I wouldn't want to drive it! I can't afford to buy a vehicle just to look at it!
If it fits your criteria, don't let a little past ethanol stand in your way (it's previous use doesn't make the airplane illegal, even though it's use was). If it was going to be a problem, you'd already see the affects.
O-300 vs. O-320
Personally, I like the Continental's smoothness (6 cylinders) but the lycoming powered 172's do have more power. | | | | | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,183 Likes: 138 Member/1000+posts | | Member/1000+posts Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,183 Likes: 138 | "(he said that such an STC is a lot of FAA bunk and unnecessary)"
If that is his attitude, I'd walk from this one. What else has he done or not done?
Ken Yates
Clarke County MS
N4505U
150/150D
| | | | | Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,525 Member/2500+posts | | Member/2500+posts Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,525 | "(he said that such an STC is a lot of FAA bunk and unnecessary)"
If that is his attitude, I'd walk from this one. What else has he done or not done? STC = $1/hp or about $100 for a "legal" paper. Doesn't change the fact that the autofuel was safe to use without the STC or that It's any safer with paper in hand. So, does a law requiring you to have it, make an owner unsafe because he doesn't have it? As far as the 172,, seems a bit pricey,
Lionel, and my 1974 150L C-FETZ
| | | | | Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,969 Member/10,000+ posts! | | Member/10,000+ posts! Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,969 | So, does a law requiring you to have it, make an owner unsafe because he doesn't have it?
Well said! Thanks! | | | | | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 8,433 Likes: 3 Member/7500+posts | | Member/7500+posts Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 8,433 Likes: 3 | "(he said that such an STC is a lot of FAA bunk and unnecessary)"
If that is his attitude, I'd walk from this one. What else has he done or not done? STC = $1/hp or about $100 for a "legal" paper. Doesn't change the fact that the autofuel was safe to use without the STC or that It's any safer with paper in hand. So, does a law requiring you to have it, make an owner unsafe because he doesn't have it? As far as the 172,, seems a bit pricey, So, does a law requiring you to have it, make an owner unsafe because he doesn't have it? It tells you alot about the attitude of the owner and how he has owned, maintained and operated his aircraft. It shows a cavlaier attitude and also some neglect on the part of his mechanic to not detect auto fuel in the system during annual and set the guy straight. A IA annualing an aircraft, who found other than avgas in a fuel system and no STC to back up the use of the fuel would have an obligation to defuel the aircraft or have the owner install the STC, or sign the aircraft as unairworthy. Not that anything is wrong with the situation except that the IA is putting his name on the line. Charles
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| | | | | Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,969 Member/10,000+ posts! | | Member/10,000+ posts! Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,969 | It shows a cavlaier attitude and also some neglect on the part of his mechanic to not detect auto fuel in the system during annual and set the guy straight. Biting my tongue!  | | | | | Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,657 Member/2500+posts | | Member/2500+posts Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,657 | Steven,
I just went on Trade-a-Plane to check on what other people are asking for a '61 172. The prices range from $29,500 to $49,500. The top end aircraft has a 180 HP engine and has received some serious avionics upgrades. Most of the rest of the aircraft are in the mid thirties, and they have times in the neighborhood of 2600 to 3600 with one at 5100 hours total time.
I thought this might help in evaluating your current aircraft.
Pat
Never run out of altitude, airspeed, and ideas at the same time.
| | | | | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,197 Likes: 2 Member/5000+posts! | | Member/5000+posts! Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,197 Likes: 2 | "(he said that such an STC is a lot of FAA bunk and unnecessary)"
If that is his attitude, I'd walk from this one. What else has he done or not done? STC = $1/hp or about $100 for a "legal" paper. Doesn't change the fact that the autofuel was safe to use without the STC or that It's any safer with paper in hand. So, does a law requiring you to have it, make an owner unsafe because he doesn't have it? As far as the 172,, seems a bit pricey, So, does a law requiring you to have it, make an owner unsafe because he doesn't have it? It tells you alot about the attitude of the owner and how he has owned, maintained and operated his aircraft. It shows a cavlaier attitude and also some neglect on the part of his mechanic to not detect auto fuel in the system during annual and set the guy straight. A IA annualing an aircraft, who found other than avgas in a fuel system and no STC to back up the use of the fuel would have an obligation to defuel the aircraft or have the owner install the STC, or sign the aircraft as unairworthy. Not that anything is wrong with the situation except that the IA is putting his name on the line. Charles Yeah, the guy must be a renegade...probably a drug smuggler too. Uh, sorry to cut this short guys, gotta get to Radio Shack for some airplane parts before they close <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
Dan
Civilization is the limitless multiplication of unnecessary necessities. (Mark Twain)
| | | | | Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,969 Member/10,000+ posts! | | Member/10,000+ posts! Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,969 | Yeah, the guy must be a renegade...probably a drug smuggler too. ............And the nerve of this seller being honest and up front with the buyer! What a sneaky and despicable tactic! Just think, to buy an airplane with full disclosure by the seller? It just makes one sick, does it not?  .
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