| | Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,024 Likes: 1 Member/1000+posts | | Member/1000+posts Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,024 Likes: 1 | Great info, Fredrick. Thanks for finding it and sharing. 
John
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| | | | | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 8,433 Likes: 3 Member/7500+posts | | Member/7500+posts Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 8,433 Likes: 3 | Having seen Hung's pictures and hearing that it is a one hour proceedure, I am less reluctant to change the hardware. Previous to that I had read a $500 dollar figure. The kit is about $80, plus one or two hours labor max. I would say $200 max and probably a little less, depending on the local mechanic's rate. Charles | | | | | Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,969 Member/10,000+ posts! | | Member/10,000+ posts! Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,969 | Respectively, Frederic, when you highlighted the study, you needed to include: To better understand whether and how the rudder could have over-traveled and jammed on the accident aircraft, additional tests were conducted on a similar aircraft. The test conditions included removing the right rudder bar return spring and disconnecting the right rudder cable. Bill Grants Pass, Oregon | | | | | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 8,433 Likes: 3 Member/7500+posts | | Member/7500+posts Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 8,433 Likes: 3 | Cables do break. We had one member in Florida have one break while taxiing out for takeoff. It should have been detected sooner, but the exposed area is many times painted over and makes the condition of the cable difficult to inspect.
Charles | | | | | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 5,951 Likes: 1 Member/5000+posts! | | Member/5000+posts! Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 5,951 Likes: 1 | I never use the rudder anyway...just open a door and force it into the airstream, seems to work fine for me. So I'll just placard the airplane. Dan, You don’t even have to open the door(s). Just lean the way you want to go | | | | | Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 7 Member | | Member Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 7 | Some of you may have lost sight of the original question. The question was,
“Let's say that you are looking to purchase a Cessna 150 or 152. Would not having the rudder AD kit installed alter your buying decision?” I’m curious to know how many people who answered the question are actually looking to buy?
I can tell you as a person who is currently looking to buy a 150 I would want the kit installed on the plane I was looking to buy for the very same reasons that Ed Pataky stated (or is that Mr. POOBS to us new people). Every book, every article, and every person you talk to will tell you to buy a plane that has been meticulously maintained and cared for, actually they make you downright paranoid about buying any plane. Yes, the placard complies with the AD but it does add one more question in my mind as to the level of commitment the owner has to maintaining their plane. I would have to ask myself, why wasn’t the kit installed? Haven’t had time yet? Cost? Lazy? Didn’t care? Didn’t find out about the AD because his buddy with the A&P/AI license has been doing “paper annuals” and then the owner found out about the AD just before selling the plane so decided to add the placard because it was cheap?
If I were selling a plane, I would not want any of these thoughts in my buyers mind because too many little nagging questions can spoil the deal just like one large problem. From this buyers point of view, there are a bunch of 150’s out there to choose from and it is easy for me to walk away from a plane because there will be another one just like it down the road for the same price, if not cheaper.
Chris
| | | | | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 8,433 Likes: 3 Member/7500+posts | | Member/7500+posts Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 8,433 Likes: 3 | Some of you may have lost sight of the original question. The question was,
“Let's say that you are looking to purchase a Cessna 150 or 152. Would not having the rudder AD kit installed alter your buying decision?” I’m curious to know how many people who answered the question are actually looking to buy?
I can tell you as a person who is currently looking to buy a 150 I would want the kit installed on the plane I was looking to buy for the very same reasons that Ed Pataky stated (or is that Mr. POOBS to us new people). Every book, every article, and every person you talk to will tell you to buy a plane that has been meticulously maintained and cared for, actually they make you downright paranoid about buying any plane. Yes, the placard complies with the AD but it does add one more question in my mind as to the level of commitment the owner has to maintaining their plane. I would have to ask myself, why wasn’t the kit installed? Haven’t had time yet? Cost? Lazy? Didn’t care? Didn’t find out about the AD because his buddy with the A&P/AI license has been doing “paper annuals” and then the owner found out about the AD just before selling the plane so decided to add the placard because it was cheap?
If I were selling a plane, I would not want any of these thoughts in my buyers mind because too many little nagging questions can spoil the deal just like one large problem. From this buyers point of view, there are a bunch of 150’s out there to choose from and it is easy for me to walk away from a plane because there will be another one just like it down the road for the same price, if not cheaper.
Chris
True, the poll should have been set up so that only actual prospective buyers answered it. Then there would be a better feel for what actual buyers are looking for. Charles | | | | | Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,969 Member/10,000+ posts! | | Member/10,000+ posts! Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,969 | In my opinion, only an uninformed buyer would walk away from buying a 150 just because it did not have this rudder mod installed. Which could be a good thing.
Bill
Grants Pass, Oregon | | | | | Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 3,693 Likes: 1 Member/2500+posts | | Member/2500+posts Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 3,693 Likes: 1 | im amazed that my airplane has lasted this long without that "kit".. | | | | | Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 291 Member/250+posts | | Member/250+posts Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 291 |
I can tell you as a person who is currently looking to buy a 150 I would want the kit installed on the plane I was looking to buy for the very same reasons that Ed Pataky stated (or is that Mr. POOBS to us new people). Every book, every article, and every person you talk to will tell you to buy a plane that has been meticulously maintained and cared for, actually they make you downright paranoid about buying any plane. Yes, the placard complies with the AD but it does add one more question in my mind as to the level of commitment the owner has to maintaining their plane. I would have to ask myself, why wasn’t the kit installed? Haven’t had time yet? Cost? Lazy? Didn’t care? Didn’t find out about the AD because his buddy with the A&P/AI license has been doing “paper annuals” and then the owner found out about the AD just before selling the plane so decided to add the placard because it was cheap?
I agree with Chris. I won't walk away from a plane only because it did not have the kit. Nor would I walk away from a plane with bald tires. I would, however make a mental note to adjust the offer price to allow me to add new tires and the kit - post purchase. The bigger issue to me, as with Chris, is what message is being communicated? The lack of the kit is a question which needs to be answered. Perhaps the reason is benign, or perhaps its a red flag signaling other issues. I guess that I'd just want to know. Roger | | |
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