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Sounds like are Recreation Permit here in Canada, accept with a Rec permit, allowed to fly a plane up to 4 seats, non high performance and allowed to only carry one passenger and fly anywhere in Canada.

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Originally Posted by Hung
[quote]A pilot with PPL can fly a suitably equipped Light Sport Aircraft at night, above 10,000 feet, and into towered airports...


From AOPA:

What kind of flying am I limited to as a certificated pilot flying under the sport pilot privilege?

A pilot who is exercising sport pilot privileges may share the operating expenses of a flight with a passenger, provided the expenses involve only fuel, oil, airport expenses, or aircraft rental fees. A sport pilot must pay at least half the operating expenses of the flight.


Private, commercial, or airline transport pilots may not operate a light sport aircraft:

* That is carrying a passenger or property for compensation or hire.
* For compensation or hire.
* In furtherance of a business.
* While carrying more than one passenger.
* At night.
* In Class A airspace.
* Outside the United States, unless you have prior authorization from the country in which you seek to operate. A sport pilot certificate carries the limitation "Holder does not meet ICAO requirements."
* In a passenger-carrying airlift sponsored by a charitable organization. (This requires the pilot in command to hold a valid and current medical)
* At an altitude of more than 10,000 feet msl.
* When the flight or surface visibility is less than 3 statute miles.
* Without visual reference to the surface.
* Contrary to any operating limitation placed on the airworthiness certificate of the aircraft being flown.
* Contrary to any limitation or endorsement on your pilot certificate, airman medical certificate, U.S. driver's license, or any other limitation or logbook endorsement from an authorized instructor.
* Contrary to any restriction or limitation on the sport pilot's U.S. driver's license or any restriction or limitation imposed by judicial or administrative order when using a driver's license to satisfy the requirements of Part 61.
* As a pilot flight crewmember on any aircraft for which more than one pilot is required by the type certificate of the aircraft or the regulations under which the flight is conducted.


So, as a Private Pilot, I understand by this that you can fly in Class B and C airspace.

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Yes, because you had to fly into a towered airport solo to qualify for a PPL, so you do not need the additional training -- you've already had it.

For PPL pilots, the real trick is to forego the medical that you will fail. Because once you fail and cannot get it reinstated, then flying as a Light Sport Pilot (or PPL) is not allowed.









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Originally Posted by Jared_Chursinoff
Sounds like are Recreation Permit here in Canada, accept with a Rec permit, allowed to fly a plane up to 4 seats, non high performance and allowed to only carry one passenger and fly anywhere in Canada.


Sounds as if our Rec Certificate was patterned after yours except medical self-certification didn't survive the rule-making process in the US.

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Oh yes only need cat 4 medical (which any doc can sign off), and forgot to mention Rec guy can fly into the US if he or she gets written permission to do so. So what your saying the Rec permit never made it in the US???

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A US recreational pilot may only fly during the day and within 50 nautical miles of the departure airport, and not from airports with control towers. The training requires about 75% of the training for a PPL.

Additional training with logbook endorsement by a CFI allows a rec pilot to make cross-country flights -- but by the time the rec pilot meets those conditions, he or she would be very close to having the hours for a PPL. So most pilots forego the rec pilot and instead get a PPL.

There are only about 300 recreational pilots in the United States.


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Originally Posted by Jared_Chursinoff
Oh yes only need cat 4 medical (which any doc can sign off), and forgot to mention Rec guy can fly into the US if he or she gets written permission to do so. So what your saying the Rec permit never made it in the US???


Like John said it made it here but with the medical still required it has no real advantages over the Private.


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Can you have "dual" certificates-a PPL and Rec at the same time? Why not acquire a rec certificate while you are healthy and have your PPL.

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Maybe I'm missing Wade's question, but I can see no advantage to a rec license. It is more limited than the light sport license, yet requires more flight hours to acquire it. A rec license requires a medical. A LSP does not.

For a person starting out from scratch, I think it would make more sense to get the light sport license (provided a light sport aircraft was available.) It would be really easy to get a LSP in one summer. Then gain some hours and experience and later finish up the PPL (provided the pilot is confident of passing the medical.) The pilot might find the LSP fulfills all of his or her flying needs anyway.

The light sport training does not even have to be made in a light sport aircraft. Only the solo and check ride has to be made in a light sport aircraft.






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