| Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,852 Member/2500+posts | Member/2500+posts Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,852 | [quote=Willymopit I agree. The aging instruments in our planes are only going to get more expensive to replace/repair if keeping original. I think the time the industry has had glass, we have pretty much shown that these things are just as if not much more reliable than the old stuff. Think NO GYROS.... (this must make new aircraft without "black boxes" quite hard for the NTSB folk to determine if there had been an instrument readout failiure). I'm hoping that the MFD will be able to be the redundant counterpart to the PFD like G1000 does... [/quote] That's what I'm saying. The accelerometers in these new panels are probably going to be a good replacement for gyros. Gyros have served us well, and many have lasted for surprising periods of time. Still, I'm cautiously optimistic. I think we'll be seeing that the two displays can mirror each others' information, or at least they'll display a concise version of each others' info in the case of single DU failure. Of course, even if you do lose both displays, I'll bet the wings stay attached.  It does seem to be a VISUAL flight rules equipped aircraft.
Labor omnia vincit. KDAL/KGKY and beyond.
| | | | Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,541 Member/2500+posts | Member/2500+posts Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,541 | I was thinking when I heard about the LSA, and I still think so now, that as the new LSA age, they will be sold for less than the purchase price.
I suppose that some of the 150-152 members bought their planes new and still fly them. But I expect that most have planes that they bought used. In my case, I bought a 36 year old plane. If my grandson buys a 36 year old LSA, what will it cost compared to the 36 year old Cessna 150 that I bought?
Almost (no, every) form of transportation still has adherents. People still backpack, ride bicycles, canoe, sail, ride horses, refurbish steam locomotives, keep vintage cars going, and maintain aging aircraft. And the people who do that are not always the wealthy. They are ordinary people who have time and some money. I do not think that will change in the future.
John Hudson Tiner
| | | | Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,640 Likes: 49 Member/2500+posts | Member/2500+posts Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,640 Likes: 49 | I bought my 36 year old beauty because it brings back memories. I liked the 150/152's I flew many years ago and I really enjoy the thought of maintaining this old bird in tip top shape. It's one of the main reasons I bought her. There is character to these old planes and I really enjoy that part of owning an older aircaft that can still turn heads on the ramp.
Jim
Delta Pilot Ghetto KFFC Falcon Field N378T
| | | | Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 815 Member/750+posts | Member/750+posts Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 815 | Jim , as a guy who's had a variety of different type planes , I still say as you do that the 150 has character as well as having the right porportions (especialy the TD's). I learned in a 68 like the one I have now , it was a special time in my young life in 79 . I still have memories triggered by the site of a 150 , as does the smell of av-gas .  I've had alot of expermentals , and I'm sure some will still be around in 40 yrs , but not in the numbers that our planes are after 4 decades of flight ! | | | | Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,969 Member/10,000+ posts! | Member/10,000+ posts! Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,969 | I suppose that some of the 150-152 members bought their planes new and still fly them. But I expect that most have planes that they bought used. In my case, I bought a 36 year old plane. If my grandson buys a 36 year old LSA, what will it cost compared to the 36 year old Cessna 150 that I bought?
You can buy a 152 today for approximately what it sold new for. A 150 today for double to triple it's original sales price. If history is any indication, then I suspect that the story would be about the same for the 162? Assuming personal finances remain unchanged, If you cannot afford to purchase 162 today. You can forget about them depreciating enough to be able to afford one tomorrow. | | | | Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,729 Likes: 105 $ Member/10,000+ posts! | $ Member/10,000+ posts! Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,729 Likes: 105 | I don't like their paint scheme, however Cessna will usually sell you an unpainted, or a simple white plane if you choose. That's what I'd do and paint an old stock straight tail 150 scheme on it.
Jeff Hersom N3740J '67 150G "Gremlin" Hangar W-6, Helena Regional Airport Places I have landed Gremlin: ![[Linked Image from visitedstatesmap.com]](https://visitedstatesmap.com/image/ALAKFLGAIDILINIAKSKYLAMIMNMSMOMTNENCNDOHOKSDTNTXWIWYsm.jpg) | | | | Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,729 Likes: 105 $ Member/10,000+ posts! | $ Member/10,000+ posts! Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,729 Likes: 105 | I was talking to the sales rep and he claimed O-200s have never had stuck valve problems and just love 100LL. He then went on to say maybe the O-200A might have had issues, but the B and the C (like he claimed to own and operate more time upside down than right side up!) are fine.
I then walked away trying to keep from laughing.
Jeff Hersom N3740J '67 150G "Gremlin" Hangar W-6, Helena Regional Airport Places I have landed Gremlin: ![[Linked Image from visitedstatesmap.com]](https://visitedstatesmap.com/image/ALAKFLGAIDILINIAKSKYLAMIMNMSMOMTNENCNDOHOKSDTNTXWIWYsm.jpg) | | | | Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 18,962 Likes: 3 Member/15,000 posts | Member/15,000 posts Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 18,962 Likes: 3 | Sounds like the same arrogant jerk that kept repeating "It's an LSA!", instead of answering the man's question properly! | | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 119 Member/100+posts | Member/100+posts Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 119 | We were celebrating my wife's birthday this weekend, and during a conversation, my brother-in-law told me they were looking at boats. It seems a 27' SeaRay 270(something) lists for 110K.
I'm starting to rethink the LSA's pricing. Maybe its not as laughable as I stated earlier.
If SeaRay and Cessna both price their products at 110K, I bet Cessna doesn't have the margins SeaRay has. Then again I don't know how many SeaRays are sold every year.
-corey | | | | Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,852 Member/2500+posts | Member/2500+posts Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,852 | I was talking to the sales rep and he claimed O-200s have never had stuck valve problems and just love 100LL. He then went on to say maybe the O-200A might have had issues, but the B and the C (like he claimed to own and operate more time upside down than right side up!) are fine.
I then walked away trying to keep from laughing. Seriously- did you expect the rep to really either: a)know and have any experience with the product he's desperately trying to hawk, and/or; b)not lie through his teeth to make a sale.
Labor omnia vincit. KDAL/KGKY and beyond.
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